I’ve really enjoyed the following conversation with Jonny Baker. There’s always a richness of thought and practice in conversations with Jonny. I’m often convicted by his deep commitment to doing, while at the same time recognizing that I’m just not that entrepreneurial.. I value too Jonny’s commitment to the Church of England, although I can’t make that same commitment (but perhaps I should) to the Anglican equivalent here in NZ, which for me is moribund and lifeless, working hard to bolster a version of what it means to be Anglican, and completely neglecting the edge, creativity, and imagination. But, perhaps, that’s the point I get most clearly from Jonny. We shouldn’t wait for the institution and we’re right to expect little. The better way is just to begin and to see where the wind of the Spirit blows.
Anyway, I’m rambling. Lots to reflect on as a result of listening to a highly stimulating conversation, which you’ll find via the link below this “blurb”:
“…Ever felt awkward and uncomfortable in Church, like you just don’t fit in? Well, according to Jonny Baker that feeling could be the gift of pioneering.
Jonny was pioneering before pioneering was a thing. Most notably he founded the alternative worship community Grace, and more recently he’s pioneered a training course for pioneers. So if you’re dreaming that things could be different, then check out the interview, Jonny might just be the person you’ve been hoping to stumble across…”
Listen to the podcast here. Note - the actual interview starts approx. 7 mins in.