I’ve now listened a few more times to the Walter Brueggemann interview I recently featured here.
To encourage you to listen – if of course you haven’t already – here’s some more excerpts. It might be useful to reflect on them, and indeed your own life through the lenses he provides when in his interactions with the Psalms he talks about the cycle of: orientation, disorientation, and re-orientation (or “new orientation”).
Brueggemann: … The prophets characteristically revolve around judgment and hope, I'll do two passages, one of each of them. The judgment passage that I'll read is in Jeremiah 4. It goes like this: "I looked" — and you don't know who I is — "I looked on the earth, and lo, it was waste and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light. I looked on the mountains, and lo, they were quaking, and all the hills moved to and fro. I looked, and lo, there was no one at all, and all the birds of the air had fled. I looked, and lo, the fruitful land was a desert, and all its cities were laid waste before the anger, before His fierce anger."
… Well, you get the "I looked," "I looked," "I looked," and what that text really is Creation in reversal, so you go from heaven and earth to mountains, to birds, to humans, and he's describing it all being taken away at one time. When I hear that kind of poetry, I get chill bumps because it seems to me so contemporary that I think that's how very many people are now experiencing the world. It is as though the ordered world is being taken away from us and it's just so powerfully exquisite.
…the world we have trusted in is vanishing before our eyes and the world that is coming at us feels like a threat to us and we can't quite see the shape of it…
BRUEGGEMANN: … our consumer culture wants somehow to narcoticize us so that we just settle in on things. I think Kafka maybe said that a poet or a novelist is like a pick ax that attacks the way we've got things arranged, and I think these poems are like pick axes that are not welcome among us, but we're going to miss out on the reality of our life if we are narcoticized both about the loss and about the newness…
…"Our consumer culture is organized against history. There is a depreciation of memory and a ridicule of hope, which means everything must be held in the now, either an urgent now or an eternal now"…
… That's what's extraordinary about the poetry, that it's so elusive that it refuses to be reduced to a formula…
… We have neglected the lament pieces; we are ill-equipped for the loss that we are facing in our society. So we keep pretending and denying that that's not happening to us…
… The truth of our life [is that] that our lives are arenas for all kinds of disruptions because it doesn't work out the way we planned [or hoped]…
… I've recently been thinking more and more that it's so astonishing that the Old Testament prophets hardly ever discuss an issue. They don't discuss abortion, Panama Canal or anything like that. And I think what they're doing is they're going underneath the issues that preoccupy people to the more foundational assumptions that can only be got at in elusive language. Very much the institutional church has been preoccupied with issues…
… I think if the prophets of the Old Testament really were uncredentialed people without pedigrees, then we ought not to expect people to arise primarily in the institutional church…
… I've asked myself why in the church does the question of gays and lesbians have such adrenaline. And I've decided for myself that that means most of what we're arguing about with gays and lesbians has nothing to do with gays and lesbians. It is rather that the world is not the way we thought it was going to be. I think what has happened is that we've taken all of our anxiety about the old world disappearing and we've dumped it all on that issue. So I have concluded that it's almost futile to have the theological argument about gays and lesbians anymore because that's not what the argument's about. It is an amorphous anxiety that we are in freefall as a society, and I think we kind of are in freefall as a society, but I don't think it has anything to do with gays and lesbians particularly…
… Brueggemann (On “Mercy”): You may know that the Hebrew word for — Phyllis Trible has taught us that the Hebrew word for mercy is the word for womb with different vowel points. So mercy, she's suggested, is womb-like mother love. And it is the capacity of a mother to totally give one's self over to the need and reality and identity of the child. And mutatis mutandis then, mercy is the capacity to give one's self away for the sake of the neighborhood.
Now none of us do that completely, but it makes a difference if the quality of social transactions have to do with the willingness to give one's self away for the sake of the other rather than the need to always be drawing all of the resources to myself for my own well-being. So it is this kind of generous connectedness to others and then I think our task is to see how that translates into policy. I think that a community or a society finally cannot live without the quality of mercy. The problem for us is what will initiate that? What will break the pattern of self-preoccupation enough to notice that the others are out there and that we are attached to them?
…Tippett: It would be the same, right. You know what? It takes me back to a conversation I had with a clinical psychologist who's studying forgiveness and revenge and how forgiveness is made more possible… [when] we become able to care in larger — wider and wider circles – when we see other's well-being as linked to our own…
Brueggemann … What the church does with its creeds and its doctrinal tradition, it flattens out all the images and metaphors to make it fit into a nice little formulation and then it's deathly. So we have to communicate to people, if you want a God that is healthier than that, you're going to have to take time to sit with these images and relish them and let them become a part of your prayer life and your vocabulary and your conceptual frame.
Otherwise, you're just going to be left with these dead formulations, which, again, are why poetry is so important because the poetry just keeps opening and opening and opening so more metaphors gives more access to God and one can work one metaphor awhile, but you can't treat that as though that's the last word. You got to move and have another and another…
… What a metaphor or image does is to invite you to keep walking around it and looking at it another way and noticing something else. It's a gift that keeps on giving…
…BRUEGGEMANN (ON READING & RE-READING THE BIBLICAL TXT): I don't want to construct the whole theology out of [a] phrase, but that's enough for that day and I'll find — I'll be given another phrase another day like that. So that's kind of how my mind works. It doesn't yield a doctrinal package; it just yields a bunch of fragments that are not easily fit together. But the reason that works for me is that I am aware that I as a person without entity, I am essentially a collection of fragments that do not fit very well together, so that's OK…
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